*posts photo of hate crimes against PoC by white Irish people*
"This isn’t all of Ireland! Just a part of Ireland bags really racist! Don’t depict us like that! Just because we’re white doesn’t mean we weren’t oppressed!"
Like there’s brutality and murder and racism yet white people will always turn things around and make it about them and how they suffer too.
Northern Ireland’s a different country with different issues to the republic and the original post made no distinction between the two. And the ‘yes we were oppressed’ comment was a reply to a previous comment on the post which implied that since stuff like this is happening in Ireland, the Irish weren’t truly oppressed in the past which is false so chill
And you still take more of an issue about how no distinction was being made, rather than the fact that there are hate crimes and extreme racism in Ireland, which the post was about.
Warning: another Irish person weighing in. I think people do automatically go “well I’m not like that” or “it’s not like that where I am” and then dismiss the issue which is wrong.
But the distinction or the Republic or Ireland versus Northern Ireland is significant in the context behind the hate crimes.
Violence in the Northern Ireland between Unionists and Nationalists in Northern Ireland normalised violence to a certain extent and after the peace treaty there was a section of unionist society that turned to more traditional British anti-immigrant stances. Violence being more normalised in these communities made this escalate quite quickly.
But in Ireland those in the south distance themselves from the norht. They don’t feel very connected to that culture and people act like all the violence in the north is just how the north is and it’s not the south problem.
This is all good information except that the actor who played Khan, pictured above and referred to as Asian, was Mexican. The name Khan is south Asian but the character was from the future and from space, though I do understand why Cumberbatch’s casting pissed people of (I was kind of one of them) it’s not a great example here.
I’m also skeptical of anyone saying that white characters in Asian settings are ‘whitewashing’ The fact that Lucy is partly set in Taiwan does not make it white washing. The simple act of having white characters is not white washing, it’s the act of taking non-white characters and making them white. I don’t know much about the Last Samurai to make a comment though.
If it was just one film, one story then no but when it is part of an industry wide trend then yes.
If it is set in Taiwan why is it not a Taiwanese character? Honestly because American film studios believe that Americans relate better to white people. This happens in a lot of films and is a huge problem for the relationship POC have with media.
The Impossible was a film about a tsunami that effect Asia and the Pacific but there’s no way an audience could comprehend that tragedy if the main family weren’t white right?
Captain Nitpick here, but the powerpoint above says “Asian character -> white actor” so it is not incorrect.
Ricardo Montalbán, the actor, was Mexican, but Khan Noonien Singh, the character, was Indian and he wasn’t actually from the future or from space, either. He was a genetically engineered human who came to height of his power on Earth in the 1990s when he was the absolute ruler of Asia and the Middle East. During the Eugenics Wars, when most of the planet was controlled by genetically engineered dictators who believed themselves to be natural rulers over the rest of the human race, the genetically engineered rulers of different parts of the world fought among themselves for more power. Khan was said to be “the best of tyrants” and controlled a quarter of the world.
After most of these rulers were defeated and their territories were recaptured Khan left Earth, along with 84 followers, in 1996 on a sleeper ship where they were undisturbed until discovered by Kirk’s crew and awoken during the events of the episode Space Seed roughly 200 years later.
Whatever you want to say about Ricardo Montalbán being Mexican, Khan was most definitely intended to be Indian.
EDIT: (It goes without saying that
only true 90s kids remember the Eugenics Warsthe world was not really controlled by genetically engineered supermen in the 90s, but in Star Trek canon that’s what happened.)
Ha, Art, my Ultimate-Pedant-Fighter Championship belt just got passed to you.
You are of course right about the Eugenics war, I was simplifying the point that Khan wasn’t the best fit for the original posts argument when there are literally hundreds of less questionably examples.
Argh. Sometimes I reblog some race or gender thing on Tumblr that’s good but needs a tiny fact-check and then it gets reblogged by people being like “you tell those SJW morons!”…..no guys….just no.
I took a couple of hours out of my day to be on a panel for Young Author’s Day, an event put on by the Pacific Northwest Writer’s Association. I was invited to join by John Lustig, who I feel very lucky to call my friend and mentor. We answered the usual questions about the writing process and how we broke into comics, but I was even more intrigued by the audience. Notice something about them?
Yeah. GIRLS. Very. Young. Girls.
So I asked THEM some questions. “How many of you read comics?”
All hands went up.
"How many of you want to make comics some day?"
Most of the hands went up.
Here’s where it really got interesting. “How many of you BUY comics?”
Only one hand raised. I asked her where she buys her comics. She said, “At the comic book store.”
"Do you have a comic book store you like going to?" I asked.
She hesitated. “It’s complicated.”
That’s 10 year-old speak for “I have to go there to get comics but the store makes me uncomfortable.” The rest of them read webcomics. None of them had heard of Comixology before, but they knew all about it by the time the panel was over. What comic would they like to see most? Minecraft. Only Steve needs to be a girl.
It was a fascinating experience, especially in the wake of this article detailing why girls in the 1980s (like me and one of the moms nodding eagerly in the audience) stopped buying comics for 20 years.
The future of comics is bright indeed.
This is absolutely wonderful.
I meant like men fetishizing white women i read an article about a girl who lived in Lebanon and a lot of men expected her to be easy and be willing to have sex with them straight away because they thought western women were promiscuous or to be a prostitute because a lot of the prostitutes in Lebanon were from Russia and east Europe, and im sure other countries like in Asia probably expect or dream of white women being easy, is that fetishising? if its not is it still wrong or not an issue?
Orla-Jo's Not Dead Answer:
That’s not fetishization
You can’t fetishize white people
You can have stereotypes and expectations but you can’t fetishize something that is considered the norm
I agree that the anon’s example is not fetishization you can fetishize white women or anyone. Perceiving a person as an object to fulfill a role rather than someone with agency/personhood is fetishization. However society fetishizes women of colour far more.
In society WOC are routinely fetishized in a way that white women are not but that doesn’t change the definition of fetishization.
What they think they sound like:
“I’m so rational. The truth is somewhere in the middle, they’re both wrong. I’m so nuanced and enlightened with my views.”
What they actually sound like:
“History and context are things that do not exist to me. In whatever dimension I exist in, I believe that there is an equivalence between an advanced occupying army that is notorious for war crimes, and an occupied brutalized population.”
“average city contains 3 superheroes” factoid actualy (sic) just statistical error. average city contains 0 superheroes. New Yeorg City, which is situated on a harbor and contains over 10,000 superheroes, is an outlier adn should not have been counted”